Joe Biden

Can't remember a diary here exclusively on Biden for VP, so after orgies of excess on Bayh, thought I would throw down Joe's name for people to comment on.

He's not my first choice (he's third, after Wes and Hillary) but I do like a lot of things he brings to the table in experience, and he really has no qualms about taking it to McCain and the rest of the Repubs.  

Then again, there are the negatives, "the Senator from MasterCard", the old plagiarism charge, the tendency to balance his good one liners with sticking his foot, ankle and all, down his throat.

Still, I think he would do great in the debates, and on the stump, and, primarily, I think he COULD perform the job as President if called to do so.

So, since my info is just as good as any one elses info, going to suggest they may be doing a head-fake about Bayh, and be text-ing Biden's name to about 4 million cells phones sometime next week....



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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 8)

Tips and all that....

Hey, we could do worse?

Bobby Jindhal? Mitt?

RUDY? BLEECH, glad I am a Democrat!

I could live with Joe.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 06:28:49 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 3)

I think Biden would be great, actually.  He's qualified to be a heatbeat away, he's confident attacking McCain on foreign policy issues, and Obama seems to genuinely like him.

All in all, Obama could do far worse.  


by HSTruman on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 06:37:54 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 1)

He definitely seems very clean!:)


by Dale Johnson 007 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:53:51 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, we all have said, Joe can go right past his ankle when he sticks his foot down his throat.

Still, I think he and Barack get along Ok? Even after that remark, never saw any real animse there.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:00:12 PM EST
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Biden is a bulldog. (none / 0)

Bayh will not be a bulldog.

We need a bulldog.

And Biden rips into Republicans with an every-man kind of fed-up anger that doesn't come across as condescending or, well, angry, just fed up. . . which is what Americans are.

What Edwards and Lieberman tell us about VP candidates is that you don't want someone more concerned about their own career than advancing the top of the ticket.  Please, please, please don't give us another debate like Lieberman v. Cheney in 2000.  

We need a fighter.

Wes Clark can do it.  Hillary can do it.  Biden might be able to do it better than either Hillary or Clark (Clark can come across as a bit of an arrogant know-it-all, though I like him, and Hillary comes with the baggage of Bill, though I still think she'd help carry Florida and possibly Arkansas).


by maconblue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:22:35 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 2)

So could I.  I like the one liners.  I like his intelligence and knowledge of foreign affairs.  I like his debate prowess.  I like that he attacks Republicans.

Also the plagiarism thing was super lame--I don't know why the press bought it at the time.  If you read what Biden said, it was similar in tone, but no where near as identical as some stuff in this campaign that everyone was happy to overlook, including me.

I definitely blame Joe B less for the "senator from MBNA/Bank of America" thing less than most, because they are actually his constituency, and I never dump on a Senator for representing his state.

As a person from CT, I have had enough of a Senator who represents only himself, namely Lieberpuke, and claims that by doing so he is claiming some high moral ground.  Blechhhhh.

Clark, Hillary or Biden would all be good with me.  There are also some others.

But not Bayh.


"There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up" --Rex Stout
by LIsoundview on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 06:38:46 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 4)

"I like that he attacks Republicans.'

Me too, and he seems to do it with gusto, but, he doesn't sound angry for some reason. A lot of skill there I think.

He's good on the tube, and, since you are going to have to sit with Larry King, and Wolf Blitzer and on an on, I think Joe would carry very well.

Don't know much about how he polls, it kind of throws the "we need a southern guy" on the ticket off, but I agree, I would love to have Warner to fill that role, but not Bayh.

Or Wes, still my first choice.  But, Biden knows the world stage, and all the characters out there.

Who are the Repubs going to throw down against him with that much Foreign Policy bonafides?

Mitt?


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 06:44:55 PM EST
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Are you serious? (none / 0)

The credit card companies are his constituents?

How about the people who got screwed by that bill?  Are they his constituents.  What kind of Democrat thinks that the credit card corps. are more important than regular folks.

And the plagiarism charge was definitely not overstated.  He lifted major chunks of a speech from Neil Kinnock.

Biden has a VERY long history of endless self-promotion on the talk shows.  He is self-important and self-serving.

A disastrous choice.


by Thaddeus on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 12:12:35 AM EST
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Re: Are you serious? (none / 0)

Is it plagiarism if you credit the source?


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by Jess81 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 12:20:40 AM EST
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Re: Are you serious? (none / 0)

Not to mention, I've actually read both speeches-I expected them to be identical, but they really weren't at all.


"There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up" --Rex Stout
by LIsoundview on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:18:53 PM EST
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Re: Are you serious? MBNA (none / 0)

Yes.  The whole freaking state of Delaware is funded on being a haven for corporations.  

Dupont
MBNA/Bank of America
and every one who ever wanted to document their boat or their little corporation--everybody incorporates in Delaware because of a number of advantages.

It's like Nevada used to be the gambling state, all by itself.

Corporatism is DE's state religion and it's budget money maker.  

Not to mention many people there work for Bank of America.  People vote to keep their job.  Often.  


"There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up" --Rex Stout
by LIsoundview on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:26:02 PM EST
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So it's OK to be in the pocket (none / 0)

of corporations as long as they are based in a senator's home state?  Let's remember that the next time we want to trash Cornyn or Hutchison for lovin' the oil companies.

Sheesh.


by Thaddeus on Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 11:48:01 PM EST
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My new book (2.00 / 1)

almost finished.  It's called "What's the Matter with Connecticut?"


by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 01:15:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Holy Shit!!! (none / 0)

I want to preorder that one, Reilly!  Give me an Amazon link!


by Dumbo on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:46:29 AM EST
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I'm with Jeralyn from talkleft (none / 0)

on Biden and his issues with criminal justice reform; she has a long list of his conservative stances on criminal rights, though that probably won't actually be a disqualifier for Obama (though you never know, Obama has worked on these issues for much of his state senate career).

I'd be fine with an Obama/Biden ticket though it would be sad to lose the support of Jeralyn Merritt, the best progressive voice for criminal justice in the blogosphere.


by Blazers Edge on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 06:40:59 PM EST

Re: I'm with Jeralyn from talkleft (none / 0)

Where is Jeralyn on Obama in general?

Thought she was still carrying the Hillary torch a bit....


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 06:46:35 PM EST
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Jerelyn is on board (2.00 / 1)

fully, except for Biden as veep.  She has a disdain for former prosecutors (except Kerry because of his opposition to the death penalty) and Biden.  The three talkleft frontpagers are on-board with Obama; the readership is still suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome in the same way that kos is suffering from Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

Armando is one weird cat though; I can't seem to figure this guy out as he claims to be a progressive and a centrist at the same time.  I guess you can be in between (that's where I am) but this guy is one tough nut to crack.


by Blazers Edge on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 06:50:35 PM EST
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Re: Jerelyn is on board (2.00 / 1)

"kos is suffering from Clinton Derangement Syndrome."

Don't go to the big orange much, but would have to take a look-see for the Kos diary if Obama picks Clinton....


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 06:53:14 PM EST
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Re: Jerelyn is on board (none / 0)

You can watch quite a few heads spinning right here, if he picks Hillary.
To me, at least, it will be more than a little enjoyable to watch the meltdown at DK if Obama picks Bayh or Clinton.
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:19:08 PM EST
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Re: Jerelyn is on board (2.00 / 1)

I would also enjoy Susan and Larry trying to stop the defections from NoQuarter with Hillary on the ticket.

Cuts both ways, I suspect.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:03:14 PM EST
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Re: Jerelyn is on board (none / 0)

If Hillary gets on, I am so out of here.  But I shall be here, never fear.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 01:18:01 AM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 1)

I like Biden too. I think he has been very effective attacking Bush. He would be my third choice. Rec


by Politicalslave on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 06:45:40 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 3)

I would not complain about a Vice President named Joe Biden.  I would not complain about a President named Joe Biden.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 06:51:57 PM EST

Ah, reaper... (none / 0)

You were doing so well right up to that first period.


by Dumbo on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:50:12 AM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 1)

I like Biden and I think he offers sharp insight with foreign affairs - a real deficet that Obama has right now.

However, I think communication-wise this is not possible.  The Obama campaign is about marketing a product, and as such, they maintain extremely tight control over all communication and messaging.  Joe Biden has about as much control over his mouth as Bill Clinton does, possibly less.  He will go off-message in a heartbeat.


by bobbank on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 06:57:44 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

typo - deficit - sorry


by bobbank on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 06:58:24 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 2)

You COULD be right, but, it would change the dynamic a bit.

Right now, the Repubs have been able to focus the coverage on Obama, make it about him, which is where they want it.

So, what happens if Biden gaffes? Changes the news cycle, but, if it's an aggresive gaffe, not sure that isn't a plus, compared to letting the Repubs just keep the focus on Obama.

That is why I am not wild about low key guys like Kaine or Bayh?

I would prefer Biden or Hillary taking it hard to McCain?

At least, the press would have to deal with this "McCain is untouchable" armor they have wrapped around him.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:02:05 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 3)

Yeah, he'd definitely get hit by the RW press for more comments like this, if he was chosen for VP:

Rudy Giuliani - I mean, think about it. Rudy Giuliani -
there's only three things he mentions in a sentence: a
noun and a verb and 9/11.

But it would be worth it, just to hear it repeated on the news over and over again.


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:26:06 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 3)

I agree with WashStateBlue. Biden is very passionate and I have no doubt that he would "go to far" but I will take passion over being "safe and controlled" Obama can do that part. I also think Americans are aware of Biden's personality and would let a lot slide.


by Politicalslave on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:50:55 PM EST
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Uh... (none / 0)

I like Biden and I think he offers sharp insight with foreign affairs - a real deficet that Obama has right now.

He gets "credit" for having insight with foreign affairs, but he voted for the war.  That was a purely political decision that he should have known was a disaster.  I find Obama's foreign policy position more insightful -- that needless quagmires are dumb.

And, see, this is the only thing that bothers me about Bayh or Biden (or Hillary, for that matter) -- having to defend the veep's foreign policy votes when we should be attacking McCain for making those same votes.


by Dumbo on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:54:19 AM EST
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Re: Uh... (none / 0)

By that standard you will have to disqualify Obama himself, since he, like most other Democrats, repeatedly voted in support of the war at every opportunity.  It wasn't until a few weeks before announcing his Presidential bid that he finally cast a vote against it.


by bobbank on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:10:34 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 1)

My top five for VP:

1. Hillary Clinton
This pick says unity, but also allows the RNC to use all of Hillary's primary attacks on Obama (and they've already started)

2. Wes Clark
This pick says we won't be bullied on foreign relations issues, but will draw the ire of the pundits

3. Joe Biden
This pick will be gushed over by the sunday morning crowd, not to mention the PWNAGE that comes in the VP debate, however Biden's foot / mouth problem could be costly

4. Ed Rendell
This pick says I want a skilled administrator as VP, but also tells PA "good luck with Governor Knoll (ugh)"

5. Brian Schweitzer

This pick says I like crew cuts, and I'm not coming for your guns, but I don't know enough about Brian Schweitzer to keep going.


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by dannybauder on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:07:42 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 3)

I like Hillary, but it's not neccesarily about unity?  

Anyone that is still thinking of voting for McCain caused they are pissed is beyond my understand at this point.

I like here, because her knowledge is encyclopedic, NO ONE can outwork her, and she will rip into the Repubs like a buzz-saw.

I'm not trying to placate Alegre and that crowd, screw them.

I want Hillary cause she's one of best choices, period.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:12:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

I think that Hillary brings alot of institutional support as well as pulls women away from McCain.

I was an Edwards guy during the primaries, and later gravitated toward Obama by the time the PA primary came around.

For some reason, moderates are really drawn to Hillary, I don't know why, she's not a moderate, but I'd be happy to have their votes to crush McCain in the fall.

Also, who the hell is McCain going to pick?


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by dannybauder on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:18:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

McCain's VP (none / 0)

I think the Republic machine is trying to force Mitt down his throat, cause, they figure, even if he McCain loses, Mitt is set up for 2012.

I think McCain wants Lieberman, cause someone has to whisper the right answer in his ear.

Other then that, any of our folks should light them up like a XMAS tree, but I just don't know if Keane or Bayh has enough raw fight to tear into McCain....


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:26:35 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

Biden has not been a very good candidate and has not been able to connect with voters in any of his what four tries for the nominaiton.  And he doesnt bring either a state or voting block to the ticket.  I just dont see how he would help us win in the fall.

Now Clark would be great if he would help us win AR.  And i just remeber seeing a poll showing BO either close or barely ahead in AR.  IMHO this eleciton could be really really close and AR's 5 electoral votes could be huge.  If Gore had won AR, well you know what i mean.

I just think this election is too close to call and at the very least the VP has to bring either a state or a big voting block.  

david


by giusd on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:14:04 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 2)

Well, I would agree, he hasn't done well on his own Presidential attempts, but, I think that is because he is a bit charisma challenged, and, what he is good at is not flashy or make the headlines.

Which is why, if anyone can balance the ticket with Obama, it's Biden. I don't expect him to give a speech that rocks a stadium, I DO expect to know a lot about how the machine works.

BTW, FYI, I would be happy with Joe. I will jump up for joy if Wes is the pick, and, if he could also bring in Ark, all the better.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:19:07 PM EST
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Wes Clark is the obvious pick (none / 0)

Although we'll all root for whoever, of course.  Clark is the only one who can help Obama resist the pressure of the military/industrial vultures who are forever poking their foul beaks into the body politic.  


by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 01:28:23 AM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

HRC also gives us Arkansas.


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by dannybauder on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:22:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

And you are right as well as IMHO OH as well.  But whatever, she is bad and bill is bad-er.

david


by giusd on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:19:14 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

AR is out with or without Clinton or Clark, I imagine.  They'd maybe pull in an extra few points, but the VP isn't going to bring Obama 10+ points (probably about the minimum he'd need from them).


by leshrac55 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 02:07:26 AM EST
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Clark also works as a sop (none / 0)

to the Clinton-machine hacks in the party (and I say that in the nice way), the people that fear too much change within the party brought about by an Obama victory.  Clark was right there on the stage with Hillary during the disastrous Iowa caucus.  He supported Hillary, he worked for Bill, he's worked hard to get credibility as part of the Clinton team.  They couldn't turn their back on him that easily.

Seriously, I worry about this.  I'm not worried about disaffected Harriet Christiansen voters.  I'm worried about disaffected Wolfsons and Carvilles and Begalas and Ickes and others with long history and long tentacles working within the Democratic Party that might be resentful enough to fuck this up.


by Dumbo on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 04:00:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

I thought Tester was the one with the crew cut or flat top.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:30:33 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

You're right, he is.  But Schweitzer also looks like the kind of guy you'd see with a beer and a basket of wings at the local watering hole.


Jon Tester


Brian Schweitzer


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by mistersite on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:40:06 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 1)

"But Schweitzer also looks like the kind of guy you'd see with a beer and a basket of wings at the local watering hole."

Yeah, not exactly the white wine and cheese appetizer look, eh?


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:43:17 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

I like your Top three Dannybauder and even if Clinton isn't the VP the Republicans will still use some of Clinton's primary attacks against Obama.


by Politicalslave on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:57:18 PM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

Are you serious?  You mean the RNC that gave us GWB/Rove and that whole rotten bunch had to watch Hillary to know what to say  about Obama?  Just how dumb do you think they are?  Sheez


by hairspray on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 01:26:33 AM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 2)

I think Biden would help Obama a lot with the constituency he struggles most with, the older voters.  They really want to see a familiar name around the ticket, someone who they feel comfortable with.  Biden brings the Hillary quality to some degree without actually being Hillary, which you may see as either a bug or a feature.

As for being the Senator from MBNA, shrug, virtually everyone has home-state interests that they suck up to, Obama included.  What's more telling to me is that Biden has been in Washington forever and still has a negative net worth.  That's someone who takes public service seriously, that's not someone like Ted Stevens who has federal contractors building swanky homes for him.  I think his head is on straight in that regard.

I don't care about the gaffes, to me that's something only the media gets in a tizzy about.  Most people like someone who is a little unpolished from time to time, and usually when Biden shoots off his mouth he's a force for good.  As for plagiarism, that is really really old news.  Who is going to vote against Obama because his VP was once accused of plagiarism?  Really uptight college professors?

Bottom line is I think the positives easily outweigh the negatives, and unlike a lot of names I'm confident he would actually make a difference in getting Obama elected.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:10:34 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 1)

Exactly what I was thinking about Steve. Isn't he from Scranton, PA?

He's been a guest on Dave Letterman and my office is in Times Square and I have had the chance to meet him a few times.  The old ladies LOOOOOOVED Joe Biden. He's very charismatic and smooth in person.

I think he would be very effective in Ohio and PA.


by sweet potato pie on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:30:16 PM EST
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Joe Biden voted for the war! LOL (none / 0)


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by indydem99 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:32:57 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden voted for the war! LOL (none / 0)

So did McCain?

Isn't HE your candidate of choice?


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:39:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I am a Democrat all the way! (none / 0)

I would vote for obama because he is a Democrat. That does not mean I should kiss hia ass like you!


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by indydem99 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:22:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

He's not very progressive in some areas.
Progressive Punch rates him as the 29th most progressive Senator, based on votes in 14 different categories (Environment, War and Peace, Housing,Labor, Justice issues, etc.)

http://www.progressivepunch.org/members. jsp?search=selectName&member=DEII&am p;chamber=Senate&zip=&x=55&y =11

I'd really like to see Obama pick a more progressive VP, but if it's going to be a conservative Democrat, Biden is definitely the best pick.


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:35:41 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

I don't really trust their ratings.

I mean on what planet is Chuck Schumer the fourth most progressive Senator?  And Robert Menendez edges him out at number 3.

Russ Feingold is all the way down at 22.


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by Jess81 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 11:31:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 1)

I've always liked Biden.  Phantom rec.  I'd actually forgot about him.


by snark adam excuse on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 07:53:14 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 1)

better than Bayh


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by jamesboyce on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:08:28 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 1)

I like Joe.

But he doesn't bring a state.

I'm thinking this will be much closer than we think.

We need to take a McCain state.


by Bush Bites on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:09:25 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

VPs almost never win states. Exception being LBJ.


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by X Stryker on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 01:18:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

The reason why I know it is Biden is because Biden's son Hunter has given up his position on the hedge fund company that he and his uncle owns today.  That speaks volumes to me.  Either tomorrow or next week we will be getting a text message saying it is Biden.


by Spanky on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 08:25:09 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

On CNN today they said Biden was hiding from the spotlight.  Why?
But is Biden married? It doesn't matter to me but I have always heard this is a "plus" unless your name is Edwards.
by Politicalslave on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 09:23:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

Better than Bayh or Kaine.  Would prefer Sebelius or Richardson though.  I'm not of the opinion that a VP pick must be made exclusively for regional appeal, but come on...Delaware?  It's no fault of Biden's that he happens to represent a tiny, solidly Democratic state, but a VP pick must at least move some electoral votes towards us just by basis of home state.


by Skaje on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 09:14:17 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

Question? Would Clinton as VP win Arkansas for Obama?


by Politicalslave on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 09:51:31 PM EST

I don't believe so (2.00 / 1)

The last Rasmussen poll has Obama down double-digits; it's tough to see a veep helping him overcome such a hurdle.  I think lori is right when she said that Obama is becoming poison down in dixie country.

I think where she helps the most is obviously in Florida; I'm disappointed we are seemingly stuck at 44% despite flooding that state with ads while McCain hasn't run one ad (though he does have a two-to-one advantage in terms of offices).  We are losing among women in Florida according to PPP and SurveyUSA.

Commentators seem split as to whether HRC provides any boom in Ohio and Missouri; we'll need to run up the numbers among women to counteract the beating we'll take among white men in these two states.  For all the talk about not needing Ohio, Nate Silver still labels Ohio the most important state in the election.


by Blazers Edge on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 10:27:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't believe so (none / 0)

Thanks Blazer.


by Politicalslave on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 10:42:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't believe so (none / 0)

He does that because he has his own internal sense of how easy a state is to win.  Personally, I don't think he understands how conservative Ohio is.

Either way it's entirely subjective; he considers Ohio important because he thinks it's an easier pickup than the others, and his rationale is along the lines of "well, if Obama wins Virginia then that would probably also mean he had won Ohio."  There's no science to it.


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by Jess81 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 11:20:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

WashStateBlue--not to brag, but you are describing my diary!  I am more convinced than ever that Biden is indeed who we will get.  Save an occasional loose tongue, Biden is the perfect candidate.

I don't believe Obama should, or will, disqualify someone as talented as Biden on the basis of his AUMF vote in 2002, by the way.  We know Obama is smarter than that.


by MMR2 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 10:21:56 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

Must have missed that.

Kudos for calling it early, today's pundit buzz is that Biden is definitely in the top teir at the moment.


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by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:26:32 AM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

I like Biden too.  Clark is my second choice.  I don't have a third choice.


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 10:27:01 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

I like Biden too and all, but what about his nutty idea for partitioning Iraq?  Don't you think he's going to have to disassociate himself from it?

That's going to be kind of hard, because he's gone as far as accusing people who disagree with it as not understanding the situation.  So it's not the easiest thing for him to drop.  The alternative is for Obama to adopt it, which is even worse.


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by Jess81 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 11:22:53 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

It's pretty clear that that ship has sailed.  It was always going to be something the Iraqi government could choose to do under their constitution, not something we would force on them like a colonizing power.  Since the Iraqis don't seem to have any interest in going there, the question is moot.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 12:03:42 AM EST
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Re: Joe Biden (2.00 / 1)

HRC is still my #1 choice for VP, hands down.  Easy.  I still very much think that Obama could steamroll into the White House with HRC attached.

I DO like Biden, however, and he ranks #2 on my list.

- Matt


by mjc888 on Wed Aug 13, 2008 at 11:49:13 PM EST

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

Biden is a WarDem. But Obama may decide that other factors override the ability to question McSame's judgment, which he will forfeit by choosing anyone who voted with Bush/McSame to invade Iraq.


by Glaurung on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 01:10:46 AM EST

Re: Joe Biden (none / 0)

I hate to do this. I really do.

I like Joe. A lot. He's my senator. He's way, way better than Carper, and one of the good guys, for certain.

But his gaffe problem is worse than you think.

http://www.delawaregrapevine.com/12-07bi dencrash.asp

Read that, and tell me seriously that Biden's embellishments aren't an easy target for the GOP.


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by X Stryker on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 01:35:09 AM EST

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The man who singlehandedly derailed opposition to the appointment of Clarence Thomas?

He's a weenie.


by Drummond on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:06:45 AM EST


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