it's the Economy, Stupid

I don't speak for anyone but myself, but this particular Hillary supporter is tired of the 'myth of inevitability' that Barack's supporters keep trying to sell.  She wasn't, early on, although some claimed she thought she was, and she certainly appeared polished and confident, and he isn't either. The entire reason for super delegates is to overturn the delegate lead when that candidate can't get elected.  It's not just the economy, although that's why she's winning those so-called Reagan Democrats he claimed early on were for him. It's the electoral map, updated right here, that shows that even a dorky guy like John McCain can beat Barack Obama in the fall.  The pugs have a built in advantage, recall that we're a Republic, not a Democracy.  Recall now voter ID's are the law of the land. Recall they cheat.  Recall they will do and say anything to win, so that we can lose even more rights that will expand their built-in advantage for the coming elections.  

But, I don't just think she can win the nom and the GE, I think she will, and here's why.  

Hillary is ahead in the popular vote.  Barack's supporters cite the rules that will keep some of those votes from counting, but Hillary agreed to a revote in both Michigan and Florida and agreed to pay for them too.  That will look to the super's like he's afraid to face her, because he wants to hold onto his lead, any way he can.  The popular vote lead is at least as strong as the delegate lead to argue before the super's, and after bush vs. gore arguably rather stronger.

Barack is losing his momentum, while she's making inroads with new voters. Both can claim credit for bringing new voters in, but she's getting more party members back and voting and he's getting more independents, and cross over pugs who may see him as easier to beat in the Fall.  McCain also wants Barack's independent voters, and many who voted for him in primaries polled that they had a hard time choosing between the two. Indies come with no guarantee they'll vote for him in the fall.  They may, but they also may not.  

Barack has annoyed women with his campaign style.  Some are so angry they are actually thinking of boycotting the election, or even demonstrating at the convention.  This is entirely the fault of the party leadership under Howard and Nancy. No one has spoken out against real or perceived misogyny, not even softly.  It's even pissed off pug women, only those women who think Hillary uniquely deserves to be trashed, dismissed and mocked think this is okay.  This completely undermines Barack's claim that she has insider advantage.  

Hillary has more plans that are clearly stated, she can speak on every issue.  She's put in the hard work of preparing herself to take over the job of president and that counts with people who admire hard work over innate talent. He's talented, more than she, but she's far more prepared.  She's done all the homework and she's turned it in.

Hillary has a huge staff-in-waiting, professionals and experts, retired and those who've taken time off at their own expense to get started so that she'll be ready on day one. It's not just a campaign slogan, it's what she's been doing. She has thousands of years of collective experience behind her candidacy, and they would not be sacrificing for her election if they thought they wouldn't be appreciated and allowed to do what they do best.  

Hillary knows history, she knows what languages are spoken in different nations, she knows economic development problems in different nations. She answers questions directly and without hesitation. She's so on top of her message that she can joke around and make fun of herself.  She's so confident she makes her supporters relax, we know if she's our president there will be a prepared mature woman in command.  She gets briefed on foreign affairs, she doesn't slip on her own knowledge, she stays current.  She doesn't claim she doesn't need foreign policy advisors because that's her strong suit. She doesn't value her own judgement over experts and professionals.  She'll hire the best team she can get and she'll let them work as hard as they like.  She's made mistakes, she's not perfect, but she admits it, she's not pretending to be perfect or flawless. She's promising she'll do her best and she's asking us to hold her accountable. This is a very strong argument for her candidacy.  

Everyone knows bush has made a hash in Washington and that there will be a lot of cleaning up to do. Those pugs who don't like McCain a lot won't mind having her as our president. they want universal health care too, it's good for business, and they want someone competent in charge.  Many pug women secretly support her because of her work ethic and how much cleaning must be done. Think FEMA, think our broken hack filled military, think every single agency that Bush has filled with hacks. Being president isn't necessarily a fun job, it's a tedious and detailed job that isn't likely to fascinate any but the most wonky, and if Hilary's not a wonk, I don't know Hillary. McCain simply isn't up to it.  Barack is already tired, and it's still primary season.  

Hilary is polite, she shows respect to everyone. when she was a junior senator she wasn't too proud to fetch coffee for everyone, and she didn't need to have the last word. She never took credit for someone else's work. That's why she gets along personally with pugs, like McCain; she disagrees with him on nearly everything, but they have a friendship. For some reason Barack has made a personal enemy of John, which simply show poor planning. One does not have to be disagreeable just to disagree.  One can have empathy for others even when they're nothing like you. It's possible, but it requires humility.  Condescending doesn't cut it.  

And last but not least, Hillary cheers us up. She says she likes campaigning, she always has a ready smile and a cheerful word, she likes working hard, she finds the challenge of the office exciting and she'll have fun working around the clock. It's her thang.  

I think she's our likely nominee, if not our inevitable one.  She's running stronger and stronger, and I think that will be what the remaining super's base their decision on. We want to win the GE.  We want it bad.  



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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

I don't think he's losing momentum, except in perception. This part of the calendar favors her, plain and simple.


by Falsehood on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:47:39 PM EST

Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

I think people are also just tired that it is still going on... sure the people who haven't voted yet are excited but their numbers are dwindling....


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:50:04 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

didn't look like that in West Virginia. doesn't look like that in the projected turn out for the upcoming voting either.


by anna shane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:51:55 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

I meant the numbers of people who haven't voted yet are dwindling....  the primary season is almost over.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:53:11 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

of course, but there are still millions left and she's already back in the lead in the popular vote. If a guy has momentum his margins increase, they don't decrease. She won Indiana, which favored him. He had his team ready in next door Illinois but he couldn't pull it off. That was his last chance to close the deal, and he didn't.  it's an open race now.  Either could win, and the one who can best argue that they can beat McCain will win the remaining supers. Why do you think they haven't already 'caved' to the 'inevitability?'


by anna shane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:56:28 PM EST
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The MOST favorable counting (2.00 / 1)

has her ahead by 30,000. And not even Jerome is using that count anymore because it leaves out 4 states.

Please adjust talking points accordingly.


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:07:02 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

I want to see you spin counting the popular vote without the caucus states, ignoring any votes for Obama in Michigan, and then calling what put Hillary over the edge was a possible win in Puerto Rico.

Sell that to the superdelegates- more people in Puerto Rico want Clinton to be the nominee. How many EVs do they bring us, again?

I think you should be more concerned about the superdelegates and such from the states you bashed as "not mattering", like all the caucus states, for example.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:23:32 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

if she got all the super's in all the states she's won, she'd be ahead. But the point is that she has a good argument and she's clearly showing herself as more electable, and that's what they're supposed to decide on. Try to give him more states with more Democrats and you can argue your side.  


by anna shane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:44:09 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

No, she hasn't. If she's shown herself to be more electable, why haven't the superdelegates been going over to her side?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:22:08 AM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (2.00 / 1)

Nope - turnouts everywhere have been huge, except for Michigan and a few other states. There's a chart somewhere.

See:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horsera ceblog/chooseyourown.html


by Falsehood on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:55:24 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

Well, this certainly is a specious argument...

"The pugs have a built in advantage, recall that we're a Republic, not a Democracy"

Do a random Gallup poll of Americans... they will tell you that we are a Democracy...

That said, John McCain is beatable.  That will become clearer and clearer when he keeps tripping over his "principles" versus his promises...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:49:07 PM EST

Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

gore won the popular vote?  


by anna shane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:50:36 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

Your point is what?

I didn't even mention Gore...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:53:53 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

you mentioned democracy, in a real democracy the one with the most popular votes wins. Our forefathers set us up with a Republic to even things out, to keep the majority from over-running the minority.  


by anna shane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:58:17 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

How do you calculate your version of the popular vote then?  Let me guess, you count Michigan and Florida as is, and do not count caucus states.  
Am I right?
by haystax calhoun on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:09:31 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

A republic is a form of democracy. You're thinking of a direct Democracy, which happens to be the title of this site.


by BlacknBlue on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:15:49 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

and.... my point still holds.... if you were to randomly ask 100 people if America is a democracy or a republic, around 90 of them would say democracy.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:20:28 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

a democracy by way of voting for delegates. A democracy that 'evens out' small states and big states.  The point now is that the super's get to decide, and they're thinking of the GE.  


by anna shane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:26:44 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

and.....  I still haven't seen a defection of Supers from Obama to Clinton...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:13:25 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

and the majority are still waiting. What for?  I think for HIllary to sew up the popular vote and show her momentum even clearer.  


by anna shane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:05:50 PM EST
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More Importantly, he won the electoral vote. (none / 0)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:07:04 PM EST
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God Bless You, Sister! (2.00 / 1)

Preach it.


Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America
by Zeitgeist9000 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:49:19 PM EST

Re: God Bless You, Sister! (none / 0)

it's an argument, not a sermon. I'm not religious, and I don't wear a flag pin either.  


by anna shane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:52:56 PM EST
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Re: God Bless You, Sister! (2.00 / 1)

You have a point. But it's generally a good idea not to rebuke people who rec your diary.


Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America
by Zeitgeist9000 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:54:47 PM EST
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Re: God Bless You, Sister! (none / 0)

I apologize, thank you.  took longer cause I exceeding my posting limit.  oh, well.  


by anna shane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:08:13 PM EST
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Re: God Bless You, Sister! (none / 0)

Yeah - I've had the same problem.


by Falsehood on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:14:39 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (2.00 / 2)

I admire your strong support of Hillary.

B.O. will crush McCain in the G.E.


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:50:05 PM EST

Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

He can't crush Hillary, and if he's the nom I'd settle for a win by a squeak.  


by anna shane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:53:49 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

I disagree - every single thing from the 90s will be dredged up again. I think it would be a polarizing war leaving whoever won unable to effectively govern.


by Falsehood on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:56:41 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

Barack's done it first, it's all already been repeated, not just the facts but the unsavory interpretations, 'she'd do anything to win, she's untrustworthy?'  It didn't put a dent into her support. That stuff really is boring, and we can see for ourselves what she's made of, she's demonstrating her strengths, her experience shows.  She's widely admired, even by those who'd never vote for her because she wants to get us out of Iraq.  HIs stuff, unfortunately has already been made into a movie.  I like him better for his goofy associations, but I'm not everybody.  Bill's comment about the roll of the dice is accurate, after all he was also a roll of the dice. but he won by way of Ross Perot, no third party spoiler for Barack.  


by anna shane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:37:09 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (2.00 / 2)

umm... the Obama didn't go anywhere NEAR the '90's redux that the Republicans would dredge up...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:14:20 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

Anna, it did. Obama was behind most everywhere 3 weeks before Super Tuesday.


by Falsehood on Sun May 18, 2008 at 09:20:49 PM EST
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Would you rather Obama crush Hillary? (none / 0)

He could have gone through her garbage looking for Wrights and Ayers, but he didn't.  It's called class.


by dystopianfuturetoday on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:10:31 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

you are fine to believe Hillary will win the nomination,

many others who have just as much right to their opinion as you disagree, and we also disagree that BO will lose the GE


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:51:59 PM EST

Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

so glad you shared, I didn't know that.  


by anna shane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:44:24 PM EST
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Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (2.00 / 3)

Barack has annoyed women with his campaign style.  Some are so angry they are actually thinking of boycotting the election, or even demonstrating at the convention.

I think the same thing goes for African Americans, but I doubt its just women. I agree that there is sexism (just as there is racism), but I don't see a huge effect come November.

I think he's done his homework as well, and Obama has plenty of experienced advisers as well.

She's promising she'll do her best and she's asking us to hold her accountable. This is a very strong argument for her candidacy.

Isn't every candidate promising that?

Many pug women secretly support her because of her work ethic and how much cleaning must be done.

What do you base this on?

Also, I don't see her being stronger in the GE. I don't think she's been "vetted" in the way that applies to Obama, such as in the area of her husband's business deals.


by Falsehood on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:53:36 PM EST

Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (2.00 / 1)

you and I are in complete agreement...

Have some mojo...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:55:22 PM EST
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And Kucinich will make a comeback! (none / 0)

Yep, just watch... 2008 is his year!


by PhilFR on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:57:04 PM EST

Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (2.00 / 1)

Winners like Hillary don't need to be propped up by the MSM and party insiders, but wieners sure do. She is staging one hell of comeback. She had to work harder for it, which will make it twice as sweet when she wins because she earned it, it wasn't given to her, nor was the path made easy either.  


by grlpatriot on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:20:51 PM EST

Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

Mom, grlpatriot said wiener!


by haystax calhoun on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:46:59 PM EST
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It's the Gravelanche, stupid! (none / 0)

That's who's really gonna make the comeback!  I could write a similarly lengthy and impeccably-reasoned explaining diary why my personal opinion is right despite all the evidence going the other way, but I'm really trying to lay off the paint thinner.


by JJE on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:42:26 PM EST

Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

I am hoping Hillary takes this to the convention for a floor fight.  Either way I want to demonstrate, rally, boycott - whatever - at the convention...so when you say this...

"Barack has annoyed women with his campaign style.  Some are so angry they are actually thinking of boycotting the election, or even demonstrating at the convention."

....where are you getting that information from?

Because I want to JOIN in the demonstration.


by nikkid on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:22:59 PM EST

Re: it's the Economy, Stupid (none / 0)

no, it is iraq.

thats what f---ed up the economy.


by citizendave on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:47:43 PM EST


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